is a balanced budget. this will give us a healthy economy. >> balancing budgets is not just arithmetic. it is a means to an end. it's a means to a healthier economy, a pro-growth society, a pro-growth economy that delivers opportunity. >> bill: president obama is talking with george stephanopolous says, no, no, no, for paul ryan balancing the budget has become more important than doing the right thing for the american people. >> if you look at what paul ryan does to balance the budget it means that you have to voucherize medicare. you have to slash deeply into programs like medicaid. >> bill: jay carney pointed out yesterday in our briefing at the whitehouse that the other thing about the ryan budget is it is all spending cuts, all cut cut, cut, cut, cut. not one freaking penny of new revenue. >> have you looked at the ryan budget? can you find a single item of tax reform, a single loophole closed? $5 trillion, $5 trillion, man. >> that's a lot of money. not one. >> bill: cuts 5 trillion, doesn't add one penny new revenue. it's totally unrealistic. here'